CBF Podcast: A Conversation with Jen Pollock Michel

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By Andy Hale 

Pop quiz time! If you choose an answer to this question at random, what is the chance you will be correct? A) 25% B) 50% C) 60% D) 25%

A heterological word is one that does not describe itself. Does “heterological” describe itself?

These two paradoxical questions were presented by my chuckling high school philosophy teacher. Of course, I’m willing to admit that seventeen-year-old self had to look up “heterological.”

Of course, we can’t leave out the question debated by ancient Greek scholars: If you gradually replaced every part of the Death Star piece-by-piece until it was eventually made of entirely new material, would the resulting ship still be considered the Death Star?

Jen Pollock Michele, author of Keeping Place and Teach Us To Want, has a new book, Surprised by Paradox: The Promise of And in an Either-Or World.

“Faith doesn’t always divide the world into two clean halves of right and wrong,” said Pollock Michel on the CBF Podcast. “In those places of seeming paralysis, when either/and/or seem to bind our hands, we can surrender our straight-jacketed imagination and look for the creativity of the incarnate God.”

We sat down with the author to discuss the paradox of incarnation, kingdom, grace and lament.

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CBF’s podcast shares stories from across the Fellowship and innovative practices of those working to renew God’s world. The vision is to share ideas, stories, and innovations from ministers, authors, and practitioners.

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This podcast episode is brought to you by Fuller Seminary and The Center for Congregational Health.

Andy Hale created and hosts the podcast of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Hale is the senior pastor of University Baptist Church of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, following eight years as the founding pastor of Mosaic Church of Clayton and five years as CBF’s church start specialist. Follow on Twitter @haleandy

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