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CBF Podcast: A Conversation with Kasey Van Norman


By Andy Hale 

Winston Churchill has been credited with about as many fascinating quotes as Abraham Lincoln, Confucius and Albert Einstein. Don’t you remember when Lincoln said, “The problem with quotes found on the internet is that they are often not true.”

At any rate, Churchill so brilliantly said, “Tact is the ability to tell someone that they can go to perdition in such a way that they look forward to the trip.”

Tactful, for the last 30-plus years of my life, would not be the word I’d use to define me. I (ugh!) have had the innate ability to be tactless from time to time. Just ask the majority of my grade school teachers that exhaustingly dealt with my honesty.

Let it be known that I expect others to be just as honest with me. Let’s get it out in the air—that way we all know where we stand.

At the same time, I don’t know if I work out of a position of vulnerability. I mean, I am honest with my parishioners about my theological perspectives and I share beguiling stories from my life. But I don’t think that I allow myself to be vulnerable with anyone except those that I am closest to.

Therefore, I cannot imagine writing out of a place of vulnerability to a global audience. Our guest for this week’s CBF Podcast conversation, Kasey Van Norman, has established her career on transparency and openness.

“Most people think that fear is a lack of faith. But it takes great faith to fear. Faith is hoping in something we cannot see. Fear functions in a way similar. Fear is questioning God’s love for us,” said Van Norman.

Kasey is the author of Nothing Wasted: God Uses the Stuff You Wouldn’t.

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Andy Hale created and hosts the podcast of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Hale is the senior pastor of University Baptist Church of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, following eight years as the founding pastor of Mosaic Church of Clayton and five years as CBF’s church start specialist. Follow on Twitter @haleandy

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