Human emotions are fascinating. And, if we believe we are made in the image of God, then all emotions are God-given.

What do we do with shame, then? What’s the emotional design behind that powerful emotion?

“Shame is often associated with wrongdoing, but the older I got, the more I realized that I didn’t have to sin to feel shame,” said Jasmine Holmes on the CBF Podcast Conversation.

Holmes is a teacher of humanities and Latin, as well as an author. We want down with her to discuss her new book, Never Cast Out: How the Gospel Puts an End to the Story of Shame.

“Shame has always been a background noise in my life—a low and persistent hum, a companion who is more frenemy than friend. But as I grew into womanhood, that low hum became a din,” urged Holmes.

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Andy Hale is the creator and host of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship Podcast. Hale is the Associate Executive Coordinator of CBF North Carolina. He’s also served as CBF’s Church Start Specialist, the founding pastor of Mosaic Church of Clayton, and the senior pastor of University Baptist Church of Baton Rouge. Follow on Twitter @haleandy.