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CBF Podcast: Brian Zahnd, The Wood Between the Worlds

By Andy Hale

It is the Octave of Easter. We are coming out of  Holy Week, examining Jesus’ journey to the cross and death.  

The journey of discipleship, especially during the season of Lent, is considering taking up our cross to follow Jesus. The early church quite literally took up their cross, and many were martyred for their faith.  

“But for many American Christians, martyrdom is viewed not only as unthinkable but perhaps even as disgraceful. Americans are so smitten with the lore of cowboy justice, where all wrongs are set right by a hero with a trusty six-shooter, that the notion of dying instead of killing is perceived as weak and ignoble,” said Brian Zahnd on the CBF Podcast Conversation.  

Zahnd, the Word of Life Church pastor and a prolific writer, sat down to discuss his new book, The Wood Between the Worlds: A Poetic Theology of the Cross.   

Listen to our conversation with him here.


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Andy Hale is the creator and host of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship Podcast. Hale is the Associate Executive Coordinator of CBF North Carolina. He’s also served as CBF’s Church Start Specialist, the founding pastor of Mosaic Church of Clayton, and the senior pastor of University Baptist Church of Baton Rouge. Follow on Twitter @haleandy.

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